insurance company stock during obama care debate when he was helping to shape that legislation and also in 2003, during the prescription drug benefit plan. do i know for a fact that information was transferred from him to the investment advisors, no, i don't. but, again, the question is the standards. >> bill: the appearance of it is not good. >> would be disconcerting, yes. >> bill: face of everything that's happened, bad he economy, 15 trillion-dollar debt and these guys are, you know, making good money, and you just -- do you just give example after example after example. >> yeah. there is numerous examples in the stock trading and also in land deals where they will buy a piece of land. they will put an earmark to literally build a road right next to it and sell it this is all legal and ethical according to the standards of congress. >> bill: we need a total revision of financial laws pertaining to congress is what we need? >> we need something. i think that one of the things that we focused on this story is this thing called the stop gap. >> bill: i think we need a total revision. all right, gentlemen. thanks very much.